January 26, 2005
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BE A MAN - What Does This Mean To You?
Two encounters with words in the last two weeks have left me measuring time and change. One had to do with the world of women. I'll come back to that. That's familiar.
The other has to do with the world of men, manhood, the shift in the meaning of "manhood" since the sixties. That's less familiar.
I was poking once again through mp3's on Acie Cargill's website. Go there - he's a musician's musician, a wonderfully protean songwriter, singer. I'm a classically trained violinist, a singer, student of North Indian classical music and dance and, though I know more than a bit of folk music, Acie's music is speaking to me in such a way that a friend was moved to say, "You are talking as though this sounds like a new world." It does. At my age, considering where all I've been and all I've done, there are not many new worlds. Indeed it does, although I can't pin down the exact appeal with the end of my finger. (here's a live link www.aciecargill.com )
I came once again head to head with the song 'Nam. There's a lot to this song *(see the complete lyrics below) and in it Acie gifts grace both to those who fought the war and those who fought against it. I keep playing the fragment in the mp3, with its echo of a long ago marching song, minor key, cadences pulling one down towards the ground, the melodic pattern relentless, caught up in memories.
The words "did you hide and cringe in fear, were you half a man?" command my attention, pull me out of other thoughts about this scar on our collective consciousness. I am seized by the phrase "were you half a man?" and find myself thinking around and around it till I come to the question, "In 1965, what did it mean to "be a man," not just in combat, but in everyday life.
There was a sea change in the 60's and 70's in what it meant to "be a man," though the fathers who taught that lesson to their sons in the 60's and 70's learned that lesson themselves in I think was a different and harsher, less forgiving way in the 40's and 50's.
The tension between views of manhood, what it meant to "be a man," is present in the song. Cargill's acknowledging that the value of the protester, standing up for strongly held personal beliefs though not fighting the war, is the same as that of those who saw combat reflects his own validation, perhaps his own integration within himself, of both ways of "being a man."
If you're old enough, think back into that time. If you're not try to picture the contrast between father and son -
The protesters, if they were male, were long-haired, bearded, didn't wear suits, but rather, oh horrors, love beads, torn jeans and tie-dyed t-shirts. Wing tips were replaced by sandals and dirty feet. This was enough then to cause more traditional fathers with their crewcuts and grey suits to disinherit their sons, or, at the least, feel they had forever disgraced their families and the idea of manhood.
I raised my sons without their fathers present. They don't talk to me of their struggles with defining their manhood, but they learned things from me - how to cook, clean, sew on buttons, take care of themselves, respect women, act from kindness and compassion, that may not have been on their fathers' "be a man" lesson plan. I do not think they are the worse for that.
Wanting to understand more of how this change took place, and where men stood when it started, I asked my friend, John, now in his late 50's, "How did you learn to "be a man?" He told me a story of his father's taking him to a gym with an unheated swimming pool where the men and boys swam nude. His father threw him into the water, "It'll toughen you up, teach you to be a man," he said and tossed him in.
I know I've some readers who are men, some who don't comment regularly. All of you who are willing, help me out with this one. How did this lesson come to you? Where in your life did you confront it, have it laid out? What are the generational differences? How and why did those of you raised in the 40's and 50's change, or not, the way you raised sons and grandsons? How did you change yourselves?
Please feel especially free to comment. I appreciate and welcome it. Help me understand.
pearlbamboo
©2005
Here's a little piece from Rebecca Well's Little Alters Everywhere, where she touches on one aspect of manhood as I remember it from my childhood and youth, the inability to act on feelings. The father, seeing his daughter bandaged after an eye operation says:
"I'd bought some of those velvet headbands from Bordelon's Drugstore. I remember standing there in the store, thinking, she can rub her hands on the velvet and feel it, even though her eyes are bandaged...."
"I wanted to walk the four steps over to my daughter propped upon that bed and say: Hey, Red! Here's a strawberry-colored headband. I know you can't see it, but just rub your hand on it. Feel? It''s gonna look so pretty against that long hair of yours."
"But I never walked over to Siddalee....I left the headband on the kitchen table and went out and checked some business at the cotton gin. "(pp. 32-33)
*Here are the complete lyrics to 'Nam. My thanks to Cargill for taking the time and having the patience to field my questions about the song and sending me the lyrics.
'Nam
Were you in vietnam ?
Men were dying blown apart
Where were you back then?
Were you in vietnam
Tell me where and when -
Everyone was changed
Forever marked by violence and death
And everyone felt shame....
Did you protest loud and clear
Napalm used on human flesh
Did you make a stand
Or did you hide and cringe in fear,
Were you half a man?
Both sides caused such pain
Addictions flared
Hatreds bared
Please oh god never again
Marching to bring brothers home
Strong against the fray
Exposing weakened fortitude
A government's disarray
When Saigon fell we lost our pride
America laid low
Mighty planes and mighty ships
Defeat we had not known
If you fought or if you marched
Then hold your head up high
If your skin meant more to you
Then shame until you die
Hail brave heroes honor to you
Yes many mistakes were made
Such a turbulent time never before
Not these memories fade
Acie Cargill Reflections on the Middle Ages 2003
Comments (11)
that's a tough question to answer because as a "nerd" or "geek" i didn't have much success in "being a man" at all ... my dad was sometimes trying to get me to fight back against the worst of my persecutors and i wouldn't ... gym teachers, peers laughed because i sucked at sports and didn't find them all that interesting ... and mostly it seemed to me that "being a man" meant being a thoughtless, nasty asshole
the funny thing is that i did acquire a certain "masculine" toughness through my adult years ... but i still don't relate very well to men or their priorities or the fronting and bragging most of them do ... some people have mistaken this for weakness on my part and found out to their surprise that i can be quite unpleasant and hard when pushed hard enough
so, i'm not one of those jocks ... and i'm not one of those drum in the woods types either ... i'm sure it's a bit different in berkeley, but it's my observation that it really hasn't changed all that much ... women HAVE changed quite a bit ... and men haven't, for the most part ... because they don't feel a need to ... and many women still seem to select men for the same reasons they used to ... and that leads to a whole thorny subject that i really don't have worked out so i'll just pass on it
I'm raising my son alone, although he does see his very-defective, non-supporting or supportive father most weekends. I'm not raising him to be a man, just a person. From the time he was a baby he has been an incipient man. He always had a doll to play with - and ten million cars, planes and construction sets. Now he's 13 and has learned from his father to use his good looks and charm to flirt with every damn cashier in the supermarket, to him this is being a man. A good person is a good man or woman, there is nothing specific to one gender that isn't contradicted by the customs of another culture. He will find his way.
"be a man" depending upon where you hear it from ...be it father, friend or stranger many people look at that phrase as a way for a male to challenge himself. Perspective is everything you can have a friend saying 'be a man' and daring you to do something. When it comes from the family, example being a father, I believe it is the idea that a male accepts as the values that he believes he sees taught back to him. Now in households that are troubled this can be applied in reverse when resentment is present. For my own experiences my father in my view did not preach certain ideals as defining what a man was. Instead he was more inclined to lead by example: be the provider, be there for the kids, give what he can for the family. The first time my own father had mentioned the idea of me being a man was when I decided to go into the military. He was telling me that the experience would help me to find myself and be a man. Not sure if that helps you at all...
savon, your words resonate with me. you are doing with your son what i set out to do with mine - raise a well--rounded person, understanding that all good qualities can be present in anyone, man or woman. i wish your boy the very best of all life has to offer.
pyramid, i'm struck by what you say about being a geek and seeing that as outside the parameters of "being a man...." now, there are websites full of skinny geek guys looking sexy. lol. help me out here, folks, my kowledge of popular culture is small, but i encountered this phenom while researching "emo" for ebay selling purposes. why don't we get born into our time? the "fronting and bragging?" oh, how i don't like it and how much i think it obscures genuine feelings. i'm old enough to have grown up knowing that style, identifying it as "man," and frequently finding it repugnant, but my younger son, now 34, is "manly" and known and respected for not participating in that style of being (yes, he's in berkeley.
don't know whether men have actually changed or not, but a perusal of any dating website checking out profiles of men over 50 reveals man after man who pictures himself as warm, cuddly, able to cook, kind, thoughtful (tho there is this 40something who keeps on sending me messages that say "alpha male. i think you are delightful..." etc.
sometimes when we are in relationships that seem to be organized totally by gender characteristicss, as one of my two decent therapists pointed out years ago, it is rather the individual characteristics of the two involved that are operating, and only on the surface can things be explained by gender politcs. karen horney's idea of the introject, hooking up as adults with partners we seek out because the relationship allows us the fantasy of trying to work out as adults a basic conflict/pain in our childhoods that was never resolved - a fantasy that can rarely be fulfilled and usually reiterates the painful experience of childhood - really speaks to this. her work is central to the development of relationship therapy, and very useful. the book, intimate partners, expains this well.
leonidis, thanks for taking the time to point out that the phrase is contextual. interesting, you father spending his life teaching you the lesson, then feeling constrained to say it out loud when you would be facing deadly weapons. ....
thanks for your comment on your blog ... the whole thing with adults trying to work out their childhood relationships resonates with me because my soon to be ex has always tried to put me into the position of her father ... who's a real bastard ... and she kept trying to manipulate things so she would do something irresponsible ... (she took irresponsibility to unbelievable levels, racking up 20k plus on credit cards in one year to pay for some porno web scam ... and buying a brand new kia for 13k, same year ... when she was working part time at mcdonalds ... i didn't even know a person could do that) ... i'd later find out about it and confront her ... and she'd try to re-enact the whole scene of her rebelling against her "father" only this time she was "winning" ... i even told her that she was using me to repeat her issues with her father and i didn't want that role ... i saw right through it ... but it didn't help
she's ill and she's sinking deeper into it i think ... i'm doing a lot better than i was a few months ago
dating websites ... don't grumpy old farts ever use them?
I appreciate your inviting a comment from me. Two problems: it's horrible late and I gotta go to bed, and I have never given this subject much thought and don't know if I can come up with anything helpful. I was considered nerdy when I was a teenager (by others, not by myself), and as I've matured I think that the image has gradually turned to "normal." Not nerdy, not super-macho. But whether that's even relevant to what you're talking about, I tend to doubt it. "Be a man" has always meant different things to different people, and while times have changed, the truth of the first part of this here sentence has NOT changed.
To me, "be a man" has more to do with character than with macho-ness, and since man (as opposed to woman) does not have a monopoly on character, my interpretation of "be a man" even loses its gender-specificity.
So either that makes a little bit of sense, or I've completely and unintentionally missed the point of your question.
Goodnight, friend.
ah, pyramid, the next question is - what piece of childhood history are you trying to resolve by being with such a person and hoping for a good outcome. i spent years working on that one - and finally had to actually be taught, bit by bit, to let it go. a gifted, tho flawed, therapist was the agent of change here. and it didn't come easy, rooted, as it were, in the very operating system of my brain.
i suspect that one of the reasons men have had trouble with expressing certan parts of themselves has something to do with the harshness of t heir fathers' upbringing and his father's before him.
the father in the book i quoted above was h imself a victim of abuse. a lot of what one called childraising a long time ago skirts on what we understand to be abusive now.
hey, twoberry, you were clearly outside the parameters. and it sounds like it worked out well for you.
thanks for stopping by.
i don't know, pearl ... i had a hell of a time at school, but that's something that has its own set of issues that i'm well aware of ... as a kid/teenager, i think i would have been dx'd with asperger's if the dx would have been around then ... having an autistic daughter can be very educational!
my father was a high school counselor ... a little prone to therapizing his own kids, which had good and bad parts ... he could be rough at times, but not more than an average irish catholic household of the 60s, and not without actual misbehavior on our part ... he and my mother were fairly well married and actually involved with us, i can't really complain ... it's interesting to see that my 3 brothers and 1 sister all have been involved with people who had serious issues, though ... perhaps we all wanted to be counselors, too! ... but i also think that we all have a certain naivete about how reasonable and changeable people are willing to be ... we weren't real well prepared to deal with manipulative, sick people
right now, i'm not looking for a relationship ... if one happens, fine ... but i'm going a lot slower and taking a lot better look next time ... thanks
Retrospectively my route to manhood was very different than that followed by members of my generation. I had health problems in childhood, in addition I was not well coordinated. My mother frequently bullied me. I was never athletic. I was always a gentle, sensative, and shy child. I was the target of bullies. I grew up very insecure about my masculinity. I was very frightened of women. I was extremely anxious. I was very afraid of asking for a date. I was rejected for military service during the Vietnam era, because of health and vision problems.
My route to matureity as a man began by learning to accept women, and see the desirability of giving pleasure, and being helpful. TI learned to appreciate the intelligence of women. I find intelligent women facinating. I enjoy female charm. This model of masculinity did not work with my wife who bullied me, until I left her. Nore has it work with women of my generation. But it proved to work very well with younger women.
sent by roger, 57, jewish and another nerd.
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Well, anything as iconic as being a 'man' is going to
have numerous linkages. I love that a religion as
patriarchical as Judiasm has the concept of 'Mensch'.
It is very different from red-neck or macho 'man'. I
think it is interesting that the verse of Nam that
makes the 'half a man' comment could easily be
interpreted in context as those who were afraid to
speak up AGAINST the war. I also see a connection
between being a man and stewardship. In the 'Family
of Man' how broad is the family of the man?
ah, bartonchii, you just didn't meet the right women of your generation
. funny, i don't think any man mentioned being delighted by or even interested in my intelligence until i was in my late 40's, and then it was sashi, who was 20 years younger than i am .
extrapolating from what you've written, masculinity equals "not sensitive, not anxious," for instance, the experienec of which might lead an older father to say, "hey, stop that wimpy stuff, be a man..." thanks very much for taking the time to comment.
john, of whom i spoke above, wrote to me yesterday ;
"Interesting comments: “…’being a man’ (means being an asshole).” “…the fronting and bragging most of them do…” “…drum in the woods types.” “very defective, non-supporting or supportive…” “not raising him to be a man – just a person.” Wow
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